Updates to AppSheet IP addresses supported for access control

The list of AppSheet IP addresses supported for access control has changed to include the new IP addresses listed below, by region. For details, see Managing IP addresses and firewall information. If you are using a database data source or are expecting AppSheet traffic to use a particular IP address you may need to update your firewall or network security group rules.

US-Central1

34.123.81.112
35.232.30.149

US-West1

34.82.138.241
35.230.32.44
35.233.206.57
104.199.122.182

US-East4

34.145.159.146
35.245.45.144

Asia-Southeast1

34.87.102.230
35.240.241.182

Australia-Southeast1

34.116.117.132
35.189.26.70

Europe-West4

34.91.142.99
34.141.206.242
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So what happened with the subscription service for receiving an alert for any such IP changes?

You figure this out by any chance? I certainly want to be notified if IP changes rolling out.

Hey Daren,

Still working on it, along with Takuya's question below - I realize it's taking longer than ideal, but I want to be able to come back with an explanation, a clear plan, etc.   The delay is attributable to no one but myself, I've been pulled in a few different directions, but I'm hoping to sort it out this week.  Thanks for your patience.  

No worries, I stumbled upon the changes about 30 days after the announcement here. I didn't detect any issues with hitting the Cloud Based SQL Service I have running, not sure why... Did I get lucky? A simple email from Appsheet like the "Google Workspace Updates" I get would be perfect...

Great product!

Daren

@lizlynch 
Why is there no advance notice of such a significant change?

This announcement is inappropriate to begin with.
It looks as if it has already been added, but even that is not credible.

In which time zone was it added, on what date, what time, what minute, what second?

I am very sad that I have pointed out similar things before and they were totally ignored.

https://www.googlecloudcommunity.com/gc/Announcements/Updates-to-AppSheet-IP-addresses-supported-for...


@Michelle @peterdykstra @Pratyusha @AndrewB

I feel that adequate information is not being provided in this community to App creators and end users.
 

@Steve 
@zito 

@Koichi_Tsuji 

Hi folks,

I apologize, this should not have happened.  We obviously need to give advance notice of potentially breaking changes like this, and I've already reached out to the various teams to understand how this was missed as part of our planning.   I'll follow up here once I have specifics.

Thanks,
Matt

Thanks for the catch up @zito .
I hope you can help us improve future announcements.

Please note that we had previously assumed that AppSheet Server was only available in the US and Europe-in-region.
Now that AppSheet Server has been added to Asia and Australia, will we have to connect to this server when we use AppSheet in these areas?

This is also a very big change, and if we have separate AppSheet Servet and Cloud SQL instances, we will have to pay extra for intercontinental communication.
I have pointed this out before, is the AppSheet Team aware of this?

https://www.googlecloudcommunity.com/gc/Feature-Ideas/Start-the-AppSheet-server-in-the-specified-reg...

https://www.googlecloudcommunity.com/gc/AppSheet-Q-A/What-is-the-Network-Egress-Pricing-when-using-C...

The community moderators here have not answered these threads either.
I thought I raised an issue that is very important to AppSheet, but was ignored.

@Steve 
@Koichi_Tsuji 

I'm not really sure what to do at this point??

If you're not using AppSheet to connect to services that are limited by IP, there's no action required on your part.  We can look at making that more clear when we make these sorts of notifications. 

Hi folks,

Appreciate your patience while I did some research, as I wanted to make sure I fully understood all of the nuances here before I responded, and to make sure we prepared any additional updates to the documentation to clarify things going forward.

In summary, there are three areas to cover:

  1. The publishing of new IP addresses without prior notice
  2. IP addresses assigned to non-US regions
  3. AppSheet’s behavior with database traffic to and from different regions

We’ll go through each one in turn.

New IP addresses

As discussed on the thread, we have a process for making customers aware of new IP addresses prior to their being put into production.  The post that kicked off the thread suggested that new IP addresses had been put into production without warning - but this turns out to be inaccurate.

In this particular case,  some engineers were auditing our infrastructure and identified a series of IP addresses that had been allocated, were not yet in use, but had not been documented.  They updated the internal documentation around those addresses, and that triggered the update of the support article and the post that started this thread.

The important thing to note is - none of those IP addresses are in use today.  Adding them to the list now ensures that if we have an immediate need to begin using those IP addresses in the future, customers would not be surprised to see traffic originating from those IPs.   

Unfortunately, the original post lacked that important piece of context, creating the impression we had suddenly started using new IPs without providing notice to the community.   In the future, we will be clear that any new IP addresses have been assigned, but not put into production yet. 

IP addresses in non-US regions


The other part of the post that created some concern and confusion stemmed from the listing of the regions where these IP addresses were assigned.  Since some IP addresses were listed in regions like Asia where AppSheet historically has not sourced traffic, it opened questions as to whether customers were going to start seeing database traffic from new regions that might incur transit costs.

As stated above, those IP addresses are allocated but not yet in use.  In addition, listing the regions for those IP addresses is misleading.  While these new IP addresses are currently assigned to the listed regions, we have the ability to move those IP addresses to other regions, so customers shouldn’t assume that traffic from those IP addresses will be coming from those regions.

How does AppSheet process and route traffic destined for Cloud SQL databases?

The final question that arose, here and in another thread in the community, was a request for guidance as to database placement - in what regions should Cloud SQL databases be located to avoid transit fees associated with AppSheet connecting to a database from a different region?

Unfortunately, the answer is: it depends, and can be difficult to predict.   When an app user launches an AppSheet app, the connection to AppSheet will be routed to the “closest” region where we have servers located.  That region will then be the source of any database traffic related to that user’s activities. 

Practically speaking, this means that US-based app users will be primarily routed to US regions, while EU-based users will primarily be routed to the EU region.  Users in other parts of the world may get routed to either - and the region that any user is connecting to may change as Internet routing topology changes.

Consequently, we can’t guarantee that putting a database in any particular region will avoid transit costs associated with AppSheet connecting from a different region.  As an example, even if all of an app’s users are in the EU, some EU users may still get routed to a US region, if the US region appears to be closer to the user.

We do not currently have any plans to add additional regions that might affect existing users.  Instead, we are currently working on deploying a dedicated EU instance of AppSheet, where all of the user data and routing will happen within the EU.   Specific customers will be onboarded on that instance of AppSheet based on their requirements, so current users and applications will not be affected.  In the future, we may deploy additional dedicated instances in other regions, for performance and data sovereignty considerations.

In summary - the IP addresses that were published are not yet in use, and we provided them ahead of any future need.  The regions that those IP addresses are assigned to are not directly relevant to where they might be used in the future, and we have no current plans to add regions that might impact traffic flows.  

We’re going to update the documentation to be more clear about some of these topics, and we’ll continue to update it in the future.   I’m happy to answer any questions or clarify further, and I appreciate everyone’s patience while I gathered this information.  

Thanks - Matt

Tagging @takuya_miyai @Steve @Koichi_Tsuji @DarenJanes for visibility

Very nice followup! Thanks, @zito!

@zito 
Thank you for the detailed follow up.
I am also grateful to you for leading the investigation that required confirmation from various perspectives.

I fully understood the situation with your explanation.
These IP addresses are not currently in use. Also, by improving future announcements, worries are also resolved.

I hope to continue to provide important and pertinent information for App Creators like this one in the future.😄

Thanks for the update Matt

2 followup questions -

1. You didn't mention anything about how can we get notification of future IP changes? Hopefully by email or any other "push' method.

 

2. Are you sure non of these are IP are operational today? I've began 3xperiencimg weird connection problems from Appsheet to my cloud database and suspect it might be related (as I didn't update my firewall with these nre IPS yet)

I keep having issues trying to access the app sheet control I think someone has access

Hi;

I have a question, in my case we have a database in US, but the region where we are is Europe, what I don't know is if I have to allow IPs from US or Europe?

Regards

Our recommendation is to allow all of them, so that in the event we shift traffic, nothing breaks. 

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