What the heck is going on with Form Views in Desktop Browsers?
The screen is SO narrow and not responsive!
Frankly, if this is Material Design it looks absolutely terrible.
Is this ‘feature’ going to change back to what it was previously?
It should be truly responsive.
I think the original AppSheet designers had a much better eye for the UI.
Also with you, it does look realy bad.
This is how they have always looked on desktop? Since as long as I can remember which is like 16 months now.
Yes they’ve always been that narrow. (Not at all disagreeing that they shouldn’t be larger and that the narrow is not terrible just stating that they’ve always been this way)
Something about your detail that is odd, its narrow across the bottom instead of spacing out down there which it normal does
See Dev response in this thread:
look, how bad it looks now in dark team, with show columns and quick edit column …
if somebody could do something about it because dark team that most of customers like is useless in this case. it is so distracting narow and bad to look at.
I really want to get the desktop friendly version of detail/form view to entry and view data…
This looks horrific, just luckily the new code is not arriving to my accounts…
What I can do now is only like this stay away from new code… ?
I dont wanna catch it!
Problem is we would like to say this is sort of bugs, but Appsheet team may say this is new style…
End of story then.
It was exactly this time last year, I luckily made a visit to Appsheet office in Seattle, and had an opporunity to address issues of Appsheet (from my own prospective).
It was one of my wish list to address this detail/form view issue to get more user friendly when interacting from PC/browser.
Appsheet should stay No-Code, which I generally agree.
But we have Context(Host) expression ready.
Once App notice we are on browser rather than mobile device, then we could present the multiple column style of detail/form view to reduce the “dead space” and make access to data by user and data edit in much more efficient manner.
Hope this will happen!
FYG, this is materials for my presentation at that time. (I shared before in the community, so this is basically re-post.)
here is in dash view
terrible ux design for end user,
is there a soluton on the way or some changers to this.
No solution as it is new style and code.
“Solution” is a large tall not large large, very big air quotes around solution
we know about that but in general it is totaly bad,
There is a thing we can control or can not…
Basically this is what I expected when I heard Google get Appsheet… The side effect (negative ones) are now spreading out. I wrote the blog last year about the concern over Google aquisition. I re-read my blog now, but unfortunately the concerns is now happening in real world.
(Sorry i wrote in my mother tongue, ask google to translate if you have interest)
Google translate seems to like capitalizing things or is that an actual part of how it was written?
Your blog has only become more of a reality in my opinion. Old support seemed to get past the initial debug questions much differently. The best way for me to describe it is used to be almost assumed that it was a real bug now it seems assumed to be user error. I would push back on there being less major bugs. We have only 16 months of experience with Appsheet and it might just be that we have more google time than pre but it seems to be increasing.
They also introduced the feature release notes and that has essentially died. All the development I’ve seen the past bit has been on the look of Appsheet without much functional changes. It seems like the feature request section is going silent and unnoticed from Appsheet. Example below has 70 votes, has been out there for a yr, and 0 post from an Appsheet member. There are plenty of other post that get lots of community traction but none from Appsheet themselves. How is anyone even supposed to believe they’re heard when something that is so obviously desired cant even get something? Everything about the new features or what’s currently being worked on seems to have gone quiet as far as the forum goes. The only way I seem to find out is they randomly get rolled out to my account, and I get frustrated cause I didn’t know they were coming. Office Hours are becoming less frequent it seems? I also don’t wanna go watch an hr long video to figure out what could be coming.
We seem to have gotten on a luxurious boat but it has no windows and the captain randomly comes to give us hints as to where we are going. Some of us have travelled so far on this boat that its getting dangerous to try and get off.
Hi folks,
We have a number of internal threads discussing the various topics in this thread and other threads. Let me try to address briefly but transparently:
a) For the details view width, the motivation was to be consistent with the form view (which was already fixed width and centered) and render in some kind of sensible way across the wide variety of desktop screensizes. The full screen width prior mode had its own set of layout issues. However, clearly we did not anticipate some of the problems you have identified. We’ll confer and try to address asap start of next week. If we need to revert back to the old state, we’ll do that. The purpose of this platform is for you to build apps your users want, so if many of you don’t like a change, that steers us. The general direction @tsuji_koichi suggested feels like the right answer but it is non-trivial.
b) For our overall responsiveness on support and community, it is very deeply frustrating to us as it is to you. I have a long post drafted yesterday which I’m just re-reading before sending. For those of you who have been with AppSheet for a while, it may help explain parts of it. But the basic explanation really is that we have allowed ourselves to get distracted from our true mission which is to be a platform for you. That is our bad and recovering from that is our top priority.
My perspective continues to be what it has been for many years — we are all different parts of a single AppSheet team. Of late, the product part of the AppSheet team has been failing the community part of the AppSheet team. To fix this, I start with acknowledgment, understanding, and apology. And a commitment to mend. We are entering the last ten days of December but still I will try to have an open AMA webinar early next week, and we’ll do one again in early January.
And a quick update on the UX changes … after discussion with @Thierry and @Adam, we’re going to take the UI changes and roll them back to where they were approx 2 days ago. At that stage, our free accounts all saw the changes but the paid accounts did not. We’ll take it back to that state while we process and try to address your feedback. This is why we do incremental rollouts — if we learn unexpected things, we should dial it back.
Probably any further changes after that will only happen in January.
@Adam will add an update here when there is a timeline for the deployment today.
Hi Praveen,
Thank you very much for detailed statement and I m glad to see our voices are reaching out to you and your team to make our platform better.
From my point of view, “UI” is far most important element to run such application among others. As it is quite easily noticiable by anyone who interact with the app. Just a app users (no app creator) will see and evaluate our app once they get onboard. So it is quite important how it LOOK like and visually appealing.
After google get to you and us, it is quite understandable that Google will steer the hundle to guide the company where we go. It is no-doubt that new features such as Apigee, Automation stuffs which is in pipeline will be adding fuel to appsheet to get more functional, but from my prospective as Appsheet creator, there are other functions and features which could be prioritilized rather than those new features. “UI” improvement is one of them.
New expression, New style of UI and new logic etc, those are immidiately affects to all the app creator, meaning those will get the interest swiftly. Such a basic new new features and function will also drive us, appsheet creator, to come up with new idea and usage which would be de-most important for majority of community members.
Yes, decision to draw the picture of the new feature road map is absolutely upto Appsheet team as platform operators, but I hope there should be determinting factors, such as how much majority of the app creator are awaited and in need. For instance, once Apigee stuffs are in full swing, I dont thing majority of app creators will start to use it. (dont take me wrong, I m not saying we dont need such a feature).
For instance, it looks tiny stuffs, but if we could display value of YES/No type column as arbitrary text value rather than Y/N, I would say 100% users would welcome that.
Appsheet is growing, naturally team is getting sizable, and team management should altered to fit with it, but i wish to hope the distance between App creators and your team member will get closer like we were so before Google. We can get knowledge, why this new feature is difficult and take time throughout the converasation with Appsheet folks, and there should be benefit to appsheet forks to get the direct feedback from the app users… Should be win/win relationship.
Off course, there is technical feasibilities and difficulties that should be taken as factors to decide which one will be prioritize or not.
Bring the subject back to UI stuffs. I dont think we are in a rush, although we need improvement in a first place, as it will broadly affect almost everything in appsheet. These days, the topics thrown into this community is largely UI related or related bug report etc, which make me frastrated to access to the community thread. (so i get lessers posts these days, as I honestly fed up)
I appreciate Appsheet approach which others do not take. New feature is ready, then deploy immediately rather than waiting for major release and version changes.
However, in terms of UI changes, I think we should take the normal development approach for this occassion. Just test the new UI under the test account, before deploying. I think we can get bunch of volunteer to be a tester and provide the useful feedback. Once the test goes well, then release major ones.
New UI come up, which makes old UI broken. People get complaining. Revert it back.
Push new UI, and repeat the same process. It is absolutely not a good idea and just killing time and effort of everyone, it could dangrously spoil all the effort made by Appsheet forks who are tirelessly work on new code to make the platform better.
To close, thanks again, and I m glad to be a member of Appsheet team!
